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Tom M

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Didn’t want to hijack the arrow weight thread. I had to give up my ASL because I couldn’t stand the pain. I still have that heart tug for owning and shooting one agian. What I tried, heavy arrows, different ways of gripping the bow, prescribed pain meds. The meds helped but really not a wise health choice.
So I am asking, what works for you? Oh, I tried being Rambo and ignoring the pain, it didn’t work!
Thanks for help, TomM

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In my experience, there are 3 reasons why a bow hand will experience shock with an ASL:
1. Incorrect form - Gripping the bow tightly with a locked elbow, or some other form fault
2. Underweight Arrows - If your arrows are way too light for the bow weight, the bow can feel shocky
3. Poorly made bow - A well made ASL, with a reasonable weight arrow, shot pretty well, won't shock your hand.

I think you can find a bow that will work for you.  Might need to go down the "try before you buy" road to make sure you get what you want.
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I had a HHA Halfbreed that had absolutely no hand shock.  A recurve will also solve your problem.  Frank
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Tom,
To avoid a public lynching, my response is in a PM !

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Try a padded weight lifting glove. They ultimately were designed to cushion the hands from the steel bars. Should absorb the shock nicely.

I too have a lot of arthritis.
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When somebody mentions tremendous hand shock in an ASL, two things come to mind. First, a possible good deal on a good used bow. Secondly, I tend to think of a "recurve" grip being used on an ASL. No, I'm not trying to start a debate or argument at all, but I do believe that grip is a major player in perceived shock when shooting an ASL. It took a while, but I finally learned to hold my bow. I have tendonitis in both elbows(not caused by shooting the bow) and my thumb (caused by holding the bow wrong). Also, I have arthritis. Now that I hold the bow properly, shock is not an issue. Correct form for shooting the ASL is not necessarily the same as a given archer might use for another style bow. 
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Tom,
To avoid a public lynching, my response is in a PM !

Just saw a horde of angry villagers with torches and pitchforks heading towards DFW.
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I had started to respond Aleve.....I like yours better

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62" #60 Black Widow MA
62" #60 Bob Lee Ultimate

Widowmaker 350 Carbon shafts,
250gr. VPA 3 blade,
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Just saw a horde of angry villagers with torches and pitchforks heading towards DFW.
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Trust me, it has happened over less!

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62" #60 Black Widow MA
62" #60 Bob Lee Ultimate

Widowmaker 350 Carbon shafts,
250gr. VPA 3 blade,
225 gr. Iron Will 4 blade, 





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Yes, I was reluctant to even bring up the subject. But then agian its been a little slow lately. I never did understand the bru-ha- ha when the subject is mentioned. I am looking for a solution in hopes that I could add an ASL bow to my archery experience once agian. I do appreciate and thank those who have offered solutions so far.
I was thinking about the different designs, string follow, reverse handle, and combinations of them, if that would help? Any thoughts

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I have had a lot of luck with a lightly padded (not gel your hand will shift) cycling glove.
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If it is a big issue...buy or make a heavier handled bow. There are many great bowyers that make three piece longbows. I am gonna guess a nice R/D bow with thinner (Flatbow) limbs will be much tamer. There is no sense to hurting yourself, or limiting yourself. Things are what they are.
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Tom, there is a guy at my club with a similar problem. He is using a leather strap around the handle that goes around his thumb. When he shoots, he just let the bow drop forward. Target archers, the Olympic ones, use a similar system shooting with an open hand.

This is with a recurve. No idea how you can attach a strap to a longbow grip, but you are clever :)
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I don't mind a lynch mob chasing me. I'm sorry to say that although I love ASL's and it is my preferred bow for hunting, Of all the different ones I have owned I can't name a single one, no matter how I gripped it, what ever type of string I used, how heavy an arrow I shot, that didn't have some kind of buzz, thump, or for lack of a better term, sensation in my bow hand when I shot it. If you're married to using and ASL I'd go with taking a pain reliever before shooting and the gel glove might provide some relief. If it were me I'd look at a R/D longbow if you're wanting to stay with a longbow, with a heavy recurve style or "gasp" even a metal riser with a heavy arrow. A heavy riser recurve would also be an option. If you don't mind going an all wood bow option I can recommend James Parker's Puritain (Huntworthy Productions) bamboo backed and bellied, ipe cored, very mild R/D longbow with the T/D sleeve option. ( He works for Big Jim and uses his T/D sleeve on his bows) With a 10 -12 grain per inch arrow it is VERY pleasant to shoot. I hate to hear you're going through this and sympathize as "Arthur" runs in my family and it's something I'm going to have to deal with myself one day. I love shooting and hunting with a traditional style bow but would not want it to be a painful unpleasant experience. I would never quit but would consider a different style of traditional bow if it allowed me to continue doing what I love pain free.
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Since no bow is 100% efficient, all bows have some hand shock.  It's the result of the excess energy left in the limbs at the end of the shot being transferred to the riser and thus the bow arm. Some bows have more than others, and some people are more sensitive to it than others.  As already noted, large heavy risers, heavy arrows snd a gentle grip help to reduce felt hand shock.
Though I hadn't considered it, Rook makes a good suggestion.  A wrist sling would eliminate it (if you shoot with an open hand, of course).  
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Tom M, I have very bad arthritis in the base knuckle of my pointer finger on my right hand which is my bow hand.  I have owned many of the "best" longbows by the best makers and have basically had to give up on ASL style bows due to really sharp shooting pain in that knuckle that radiates down to the middle knuckle.  About 6 shots is all I can deal with before the pain makes me quit. I was fortunate to pick up a used Toelke Whip recently in hopes that it would work for me.  I had never seen a Toelke to my knowledge.  The Whip I have is 66" long and of RD design and totally comfortable to shoot as long as I want.  Pain makes shooting not fun and while I love ASLs, I'd rather be shooting a bow that doesn't cause me pain.  I know all about the reasons why one feels the dreaded shock, I have addressed all of those to no avail. 
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wengar archery really makes a nice one piece longbow  with the RD style and a recurve like grip

for me I don't feel any hand shock from my Hill styles  but have been shooting that style since a kid  and guess used to it


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James, I never gave hand shock a moments thought for years until this swollen, sore knuckle made me very aware of it.  I am just thankful that I am able to shoot a bow.  My recurves don't bother me at all and the hybrid bows are pleasant to shoot as well. So it could be worse. [smile]
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