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Orion

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Would like to get some feedback on Howard Hill heads.  I've been thinking of using some for deer this year, but am having trouble getting past the small cut width -- 1 inch or less on 5/16-inch ferules.  

I've shot Two-and four-blade Zwickey Deltas for ages -- 1 3/8 inches wide.  More recently, I've also used STOS and Abowyer two-blade heads -- 1 /5/16 or so -- with good results.  

Given their design, I have no doubt the Hill heads will penetrate well.  But, like I said, they leave a pretty small hole. Though I'm getting a bit long in the tooth, I believe I'm still shooting enough weight to shoot the wider heads, but....

For those who use them, what has your experience been?   
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I’ve never used them, and I’ll bet if they are scary sharp and out in the right place, they will kill as well as any!

That being said, I won’t hunt with a head that narrow. Seen too many poor blood trails with narrow heads of different brands. If using a 2 blade head, I will always use the widest one I think I can get both an entrance and exit hole with!

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I've had good luck with them. A little hard to sharpen. They will fly perfectly.
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They fly good but I have come to accept that my blood trails are much better with a 3 blade.
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I have had blood trails that led to dead deer with every deer that I have ever tagged with Howard Hills and Hunter's Heads.  I remember one with a 140 grain Hill that my son shot, he declared, "NO BLOOD TRAIL AT ALL."  I asked which way the deer ran.  The smart ass answered, "Right over there to where that dead deer is."  30 yards from the hit.  The deer was laying in a pool of blood and there was blood sprays leading to it, he just didn't bother to look.  I bought a bunch of heat treated unground blades from Craig with ferrules and the rivets years back.  I wanted to make left wing single bevels, at the time Grizzlys were only right wing.  I believe that i get more blood on the ground sooner with those.  I sharpen all Hills with a Tom Mussato like edge, just slightly different tools.  I serrate single bevels on the beveled side to maintain the cutting action on the flat side.  I may get more blood sooner with the single bevels that I grind from the blanks, but i am not 100% positive if they are any shorter. i also believe that long narrow heads make the best of a serrated edge and i have never had even once one clog with tallow or hair like all of those nay sayers that don't know what they are talking about claim.
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I shot this small doe late last season with the Hill head and was really pleased with the results. Only got 1 lung and liver but had a great blood trail and she didn’t go far. They fly great too. My only issue with them is sharpening. The steel is thick and ground at a steep angle, so it’s a lot of work to get them really sharp. I know they don’t need to be shaving sharp to do the job, but I’ve spent a lot of time trying to get them that way, and it’s difficult for me to know when they are “sharp enough “.

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I can tell you this. Howard had nothing but trouble recovering anything with those heads, but kept on using them anyway. You have to wonder why he would do that!!!!!!!  And they have only been on the market for about 70 years so they probably haven't had enough testing yet.

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Refering to the long tooth issue.  I shot a 140 grain Hill on a 5/16 Acme through a large doe shooting up hill and out about 18 yards with a 38 pound at my 26 plus draw Hill Cheetah.  The doe went down by the same cedar shrubs that a buck shot the previous from the same dead and down cotton wood trunk.  The biggest difference was where the arrows ended up.  The 160 Hill tipped Microflite 12 skipped across the frozen bare dirt like a jack rabbit for 30 yards, while the 140 tipped acme stuck in a green standing corn stalk two rows into the end rows.  I sharpened that particular head with a Dremel tool.  I got a set of 140s that were glass hard, they just laughed at the file.  I got kind of a ripply razor sharp edge with the Dremel hone.  I still have five of the six, my daughter lost one turkey hunting.
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Thanks for the feedback.  I might throw one or two in the quiver this fall and see what happens.  
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Bob....I am not sure I am following your statement. Was that tongue in cheek or real ? Just curious.
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Chuckc:

VERY tongue in cheek!!!!! 

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Everything I've shot with those heads has left a great blood trail and had superb penetration. Much better blood trail than one would expect. I use a very jagged edge by filing with a 1/4" round chainsaw file.
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One aspect of a Hill head that people often over look is the tracking of the blade through an animal.  i remember way back in the 70s when three blade heads like those hi-precisions and Bodkins and even Deadheads were getting bad pr for deflecting on the hit.  My son with a Deadhead that shot a deer going at about a 45 degree going away, he made what would have been a perfect shot with a Hill, but the initial contact with the Deadhead must have been with the head horizontal and it tracked off exiting on the same side it hit.  He tracked the sparse blood trail for a very long ways, until it was no more and never found the deer.   I have heard of that years before around here with three blade heads doing strange things on contact as well that restricted penetration.  Many of the mechanical heads, if they hit at less than good right angles will  have a whipping action because one blade opens causing the arrow to divert.  One of those compound archers had three deer in one year go unrecovered with a dangling arrow from a 70 pound compound.   They told him that standard heads would not fly straight, but they did not tell him that the mechanicals would not penetrate straight.  I gave him a Hunter's Head, he told me that it flew through the deer like it was just air and the deer went down in sight.  He went back to being a trad archer, saying things like ,"it's the arrow that kills."  
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Good point.  Tracking, i.e., continuing to go in the same direction as it passes through the critter.  Leaning more and more toward giving them a try.  
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I prefer a serrated edge after using a 10" bastard file.  I lay the file on a flat surface with the handle away and push the head into the cutting surface to get a flat even bevel and remove the factory serration.  I then use the Ecko, and/or a smaller file to put on a serrated edge.
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The only head I have used for years. Had one bend once, and had trouble getting another to fly straight (had I looked closer I'd have noticed that the blade wasn't riveted in line with the ferrule), but other than that it's been perfection. They penetrate amazingly well (something I put down to the 3:1 ratio and sweep of the edge).
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best flying broadhead i ever used,  i've used them for everything and have only had one ferrel break once, pretty good track record 
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I've been using the 160+ grain heads for a couple of decades. Never had an issue with them.
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I have typed this before. Years back two area young guys got compounds and the early versions of carbon arrows with mechanical heads.  Their first year they both hit deer, got no penetration and never found the deer.  Then out of curiosity about recurves, they went to a shoot that Lamont Granger had his booth set up.  They each bought 6 140 grain Hill heads.  Come deer season they sharpened them exactly the way the Craig Ekin pamphlet instructed.  They both got their deer.  They were convinced that they discovered a super secret.  They declared that those were the deadliest broad heads ever made.  if you follow the instruction from Craig's pamphlet, you will most likely get a rough edge thing that will not seem like much.  Playing around with different file types and angles with the serration it is possible to get something more keen edged, but I don't believe these newbies did anything like that.  The 140 hills performed exactly like one would hope for them.  After that they went to the total Hill package, I gave them longbow shooting lessons, they worked hard, learned fast and then they up and moved away to better hunting country.
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