Should the Top 3 shooters in Adult Male and Female classes be required to shoot broadheads in the 6 Target Shoot-Off at the TAS Bowhunter World Championship?
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Dec 31, 2021
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
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Dec 31, 2021
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
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Dec 31, 2021
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
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Dec 30, 2021
Hmm... I don't hunt, but I enjoy competition. I enjoy shooting TAS, and have done so since the first competition event. So, my input about the event as being a "bow hunting" event can be taken with a grain of salt, I suppose. Here are some of my random thoughts.... 1) What is a "broad head" for the competition? I am torn, for example, between shooting the absolute widest head I can find (and thereby give me a greater cut line to score higher) and the thinest expandable (to give better flight). In my experience shooting both TAS and IBO (and state competitions), competitions are won or lost by the smallest of margins -- five or seven points difference across 40 targets can mean the difference between first place and fourth place (trust me on that...), ten or twelve points can put you ten places back. 2) Two or three blade? If you slip a two blade into the target so it doesn't cut the higher point line, how do you score that? I would certainly consider a three blade to improve my chances of cutting the line, for example. I don't shoot broad head competitions, but there may already be a way to manage that judging, however. 3) If the shoot-off uses broad heads because it is a bowhunter competition, shouldn't ALL the targets test bowhunters' skills equally, too? 4) If it is a bow hunter competition, then should there also be some limits on all the equipment? I shoot a competition longbow rig, but I suspect that IF I hunted, I might use something different (less mass weight, shorter, etc.). Someone above mentioned the current USA pissing-match, but agree or not with the changes, is that re-definition valuable for TAS to consider? (Perhaps, if for no other reason than to remind us all that it is never a good idea to shove a butter knife into an outlet...) 5) I shoot many, many club courses each season -- like maybe 20 a year outdoor, plus 6-8 indoor. The best ones, the ones I enjoy the most, are set up as "hunter" courses. My point is that I believe that the "hunting" element of the competition comes from challenges of the shot primarily, and less about the arrow point. If you can slip a shaft with a field point successfully through the junk on a course, doesn't that already say something about your skill as a bow hunter?
I have enjoyed the TAS events over the years, for the competition and because I have the opportunity to shoot with, and hang-out with, a community of archers who take the game pretty seriously. I voted against the change, but whatever you decide I will support it and figure out something so that I can continue to attend and be ready for the chance to participate in the shoot off. But will everybody who might otherwise attend continue with a new rule change ? I honestly don't know. I don't mean to sound arrogant or dismissive by this comment, but the best shooters over the years will likely attend anyway because only three of all the participants will end up in the shoot-off, so maybe a broad head shoot-off won't matter much to many people after all. I, and my homies probably, will continue to attend no matter what you decide.
I think it is important to constantly keep the event fresh, and the shoot-off format was a unique and pretty cool innovation. Keep us all posted. Happy New Year to all -- remember all your good times of the past year and look forward to more! Best, Eric (aka Trillium).
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Dec 30, 2021
"Anyone who doesn't attend or is not planning to attend the tournament shouldn't have a vote"
More than 60 members that attend the TAS championships were directly contacted for their suggestion on the broadhead rule. That's about a 1/3 of the shooters that attend the TAS Bowhunter World Championship.
The poll and direct communication with these 60 shooters will assist in determining the direction of the rule change.
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Dec 31, 2021
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@Tradlongbow (Fl) I think some good points have been made. You could leave the barebow class alone and make the other classes and overall champion require broadheads.
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Dec 30, 2021
As a Selfbow class guy, I'm okay with the new broadhead requirement, but there is an argument that can be made that the previous Broadhead event was in fact the "Bowhunter Championship" and the larger 3D event with field points was the "Traditional Archery 3D Championship" or something similar.
That being said, this is just a friendly family discussion compared to the food fight that is taking place around the USA Archery Traditional Nationals Modern Longbow class that essentially bans the most commonly used "competition" longbows.
"B. Modern Longbow Division Rules:
1. Longbows with wood risers are allowed. Risers may be reinforced with minimal amounts of micarta, phenolic or similar but must be primarily wood. Wood limbs may include fiberglass laminates, carbon or other modern man-made materials.
2. Arrow rests, shelves and center shot cut shelves are also allowed."
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Dec 31, 2021
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@Clovis6 (PA) it was only a matter of time before the 5 pound "longbows" started to make shoots look into equipment rules more closely. I'm not sure about the wording on the shelf rules though. I get no rests or center cut, but it almost seems worded to no shelves at all.
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Dec 30, 2021
Okay, it is a bowhunting championship. We can all appreciate that. Then why not require broadheads to be shot during entire event? That way the people who are truly the best shooting broadheads will be in the finals.
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Dec 30, 2021
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@John Sullins
It would be an ideal situation to shoot broadheads at all 40 targets but it comes down to the high price of the 3D animals that makes it unaffordable.
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Dec 30, 2021
I really don't get why people are complaining about this. It's always been the bowhunter championship. When I said something against the barebows being used, there were tons of excuses including "I hunt with this rig". Well, now it's time to show it.
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Dec 31, 2021
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@JR Belk why would you complain? if you're not a barebow guy then you shouldn't have to shoot against us anyway for actual buckles..
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Dec 31, 2021
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@thebowhunter87 I said something about it because it gets away from being a bowhunter championship. How can someone be the ultimate bowhunter champion shooting a barebow rig that you wouldn't hunt with? I'm not worried about buckles and never have been. I'm probably one of the few that doesn't run to social media as soon as I win something. I don't like buckle chasing or the people that do it. Barebow started with buckle chasers and now they spread to other divisions now that barebow has more than 20 shooters in the country. There are plenty of shoots that cater to those guys and that mentality. Why complain about the rules not benefiting your style? I don't care who shoots what. It was just a departure from being a bowhunter championship.
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Dec 31, 2021
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@pitbullman4111 I don't know any either, but I'm sure you can go back and find out. There were more than a few.
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Dec 30, 2021
Use the same rules used for years in the North American Longbow Safari, or leave it as is. I do not think it is necessary to have shooters change to a different set of arrows for a shoot-off proves anything. Answer: No
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Dec 29, 2021
Anyone who doesn't attend or is not planning to attend the tournament shouldn't have a vote
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Dec 30, 2021
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@pitbullman4111
100%
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Dec 29, 2021
Back in the day, we had no insurance coverage at tournaments if broadheads were used.
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Dec 29, 2021
Remind them when pulling out not like pulling a field point
seen a couple people forget and pull with hand at shaft bracing the target
First prize mght be a box of bandages
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Dec 29, 2021
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@jamesdonahue (VA)
We’ve had a separate broadhead course at the championship for the past 7 years without any issues. Clydebow sets up the course.
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Dec 29, 2021
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Dec 29, 2021
Bowhunter championship read the first word bowhunter you string walkers can cry all you want but I think it’s a good idea
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Dec 29, 2021
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@danbreen1951 I stringwalk with my hunting recurve . No shame in accuracy
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
I'm a new member so I'm in on the broad head shoot off. Yes for me .
Hmm... I don't hunt, but I enjoy competition. I enjoy shooting TAS, and have done so since the first competition event. So, my input about the event as being a "bow hunting" event can be taken with a grain of salt, I suppose. Here are some of my random thoughts.... 1) What is a "broad head" for the competition? I am torn, for example, between shooting the absolute widest head I can find (and thereby give me a greater cut line to score higher) and the thinest expandable (to give better flight). In my experience shooting both TAS and IBO (and state competitions), competitions are won or lost by the smallest of margins -- five or seven points difference across 40 targets can mean the difference between first place and fourth place (trust me on that...), ten or twelve points can put you ten places back. 2) Two or three blade? If you slip a two blade into the target so it doesn't cut the higher point line, how do you score that? I would certainly consider a three blade to improve my chances of cutting the line, for example. I don't shoot broad head competitions, but there may already be a way to manage that judging, however. 3) If the shoot-off uses broad heads because it is a bowhunter competition, shouldn't ALL the targets test bowhunters' skills equally, too? 4) If it is a bow hunter competition, then should there also be some limits on all the equipment? I shoot a competition longbow rig, but I suspect that IF I hunted, I might use something different (less mass weight, shorter, etc.). Someone above mentioned the current USA pissing-match, but agree or not with the changes, is that re-definition valuable for TAS to consider? (Perhaps, if for no other reason than to remind us all that it is never a good idea to shove a butter knife into an outlet...) 5) I shoot many, many club courses each season -- like maybe 20 a year outdoor, plus 6-8 indoor. The best ones, the ones I enjoy the most, are set up as "hunter" courses. My point is that I believe that the "hunting" element of the competition comes from challenges of the shot primarily, and less about the arrow point. If you can slip a shaft with a field point successfully through the junk on a course, doesn't that already say something about your skill as a bow hunter?
I have enjoyed the TAS events over the years, for the competition and because I have the opportunity to shoot with, and hang-out with, a community of archers who take the game pretty seriously. I voted against the change, but whatever you decide I will support it and figure out something so that I can continue to attend and be ready for the chance to participate in the shoot off. But will everybody who might otherwise attend continue with a new rule change ? I honestly don't know. I don't mean to sound arrogant or dismissive by this comment, but the best shooters over the years will likely attend anyway because only three of all the participants will end up in the shoot-off, so maybe a broad head shoot-off won't matter much to many people after all. I, and my homies probably, will continue to attend no matter what you decide.
I think it is important to constantly keep the event fresh, and the shoot-off format was a unique and pretty cool innovation. Keep us all posted. Happy New Year to all -- remember all your good times of the past year and look forward to more! Best, Eric (aka Trillium).
"Anyone who doesn't attend or is not planning to attend the tournament shouldn't have a vote"
More than 60 members that attend the TAS championships were directly contacted for their suggestion on the broadhead rule. That's about a 1/3 of the shooters that attend the TAS Bowhunter World Championship.
The poll and direct communication with these 60 shooters will assist in determining the direction of the rule change.
As a Selfbow class guy, I'm okay with the new broadhead requirement, but there is an argument that can be made that the previous Broadhead event was in fact the "Bowhunter Championship" and the larger 3D event with field points was the "Traditional Archery 3D Championship" or something similar.
That being said, this is just a friendly family discussion compared to the food fight that is taking place around the USA Archery Traditional Nationals Modern Longbow class that essentially bans the most commonly used "competition" longbows.
"B. Modern Longbow Division Rules:
1. Longbows with wood risers are allowed. Risers may be reinforced with minimal amounts of micarta, phenolic or similar but must be primarily wood. Wood limbs may include fiberglass laminates, carbon or other modern man-made materials.
2. Arrow rests, shelves and center shot cut shelves are also allowed."
Okay, it is a bowhunting championship. We can all appreciate that. Then why not require broadheads to be shot during entire event? That way the people who are truly the best shooting broadheads will be in the finals.
I really don't get why people are complaining about this. It's always been the bowhunter championship. When I said something against the barebows being used, there were tons of excuses including "I hunt with this rig". Well, now it's time to show it.
Use the same rules used for years in the North American Longbow Safari, or leave it as is. I do not think it is necessary to have shooters change to a different set of arrows for a shoot-off proves anything. Answer: No
Anyone who doesn't attend or is not planning to attend the tournament shouldn't have a vote
Back in the day, we had no insurance coverage at tournaments if broadheads were used.
Remind them when pulling out not like pulling a field point
seen a couple people forget and pull with hand at shaft bracing the target
First prize mght be a box of bandages
🏹👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Bowhunter championship read the first word bowhunter you string walkers can cry all you want but I think it’s a good idea